I keep getting crosswise of some of my brethren with some of the things I believe about God. My walk with him leads me to believe even more strongly in His mercy. For instance, I believe God will give to saved parents, the babies that were lost to abortion here on Earth. God says he formed us in the womb and knew us before we were even born. Our God is a jealous God, not willing that any should be lost. Therefore, I believe that all aborted babies will be taken home to be with us in Heaven. Me I want the angels to round up at least six or so that we can raise in a loving home, enough that we can have our own flag football team or extra crew for the schooner my kids and I are going to build in the New Earth.
Stephen responded to my assertion that aborted babies would not be lost with this: "This is unconditional immortality which is not a teaching of the Seventh-day Adventist Church and leads to spiritism."
So let me ask, "How do you explain our teaching that babies like the ones spoken of in the passage below from Ellen White will be restored to their mothers'
arms at the Second Coming and even the motherless babies will be taken by Jesus to the tree of life?". After all, this baby clearly has not reached the age of accountability. Is
there some kind of free pass for these babies if their parents belong
to the right church. How is that fair to those who never had any chance to decide whether or not to follow Christ?
I
have real trouble, Stephen, believing that God is that hard-hearted. We
also believe (along with notable Protestant theologians like John Wesley) that many will be saved who never heard the name
of Christ but were seeking Him without knowing His name:.
Among the heathen are those who worship God ignorantly, those to whom
the light is never brought by human instrumentality, yet they will not
perish. Though ignorant of the written law of God, they have heard His
voice speaking to them in nature, and have done the things that the law
required. Their works are evidence that the Holy Spirit has touched
their hearts, and they are recognized as the children of God.” - Ellen G. White
Strict conditional salvation is almost as heartless as the doctrine of an ever-burning
hell. God is love and He knows His children. He knows our frame, He
knows we are dust, according to Psalm 103:14. God does not wish that any should perish, but that ALL should have eternal life (Matthew 18:14, ). That the God of infinite love, who carefully formed each of those
fearfully and wonderfully made, but aborted babies in their mothers'
womb and knew what they would one day be, will not finish His work,
especially when there would be millions of us willing to raise those
perfect babies in a perfect world. For that matter, I believe God will give me my
dog back if I ask Him. Would a Father deny his child something that
would only do him or her good. Would he not do ultimate good for the lost
children who were victims of the holocaust of the unborn? Sixty million dead masterpieces created by God in sixty million wombs will not be wasted I believe.
I
do not hold to the brand of religion that treats salvation as some kind
of magical incantation. Many Christians (or Hindus, pagans or Buddhists for that matter) believe that you have to say the right words and perform the
right rituals to get into Paradise. I met a Church of Christ pastor once who told me that because
the preacher didn't say "In Jesus' name," but said "In the name of the
Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit," my baptism was no good. I disagreed. I asked him, "Do you think God doesn't know who his son is?"
My acquaintance with God
tells me He does what He does, not through magic and incantation. He does what He
does because his nature is supernatural or above our 3 dimensional plane
of existence. He exists outside of time and is the Alpha and Omega, or
as scripture says He lives in the present, the past and the future all
at once. God knows who will be safe to take to heaven and the new Earth
because He sees tomorrow the way we see today. It's not magic and
definitely doesn't require incantations, waving magic wands or giving
special powers to people the church hierarchy deigns to "ordain". He picks
folks He knows, like Deborah, Gideon, Joseph, David and Simon Peter who can do the job He has for them to do.
People
keep trying to stuff God into a conceptual box so they can (a) understand Him with
their limited intelligence and in a way that they approve of His actions and (b) figure
out how to game the system so God is somehow forced take them to heaven. These folk lack faith. They don't quite trust God to make good decisions, or at least decisions they approve of, unless they have some
leverage. Ah, but if we say the right words and perform the correct
rituals, He will be forced to let us into Paradise, won't He?
Well,
no! Remember Christ's description of the judgment - all those folks
complaining that they did miracles, preached to the masses, built
Crystal Cathedrals and God told them flat out, rituals and incantations
and successful fund-raising and all, "I never knew you." God
just doesn't fit in those kinds of boxes nor have those kinds of
limitations. A lot of that kind of thinking is left over from the long
discredited Last Generation Theology - an Adventist theologian's answer
to an ever-burning hell for scaring people into the pews and into line
with the "authorities". At the core of Adventism, is a kinder gentler, more
forgiving picture of the character of God than many strong-willed
Christians are quite comfortable with.
Timothy objected: "This is the unconditional love and nature of God. If there is a first
life, then there is a soul, and the second life depends on our
submission and accountability. A baby in the womb is life and has no accountability.
I think God is quite able to raise up murdered children freed from the stain of sin. Adam and Eve,had they not been tempted could have lived eternally. Why not an unstained infant? If a child is knit together by God in the womb and another person ends the life that God has carefully created the child is unstained; murdered before the child has even been able to commit his first sin. Why would anyone think God would not object to having His babies killed without having had a chance to experience His love and choose life.
Stephen objected. "You did not limit it to babes as in the picture. You included the unborn. There is no such teaching in Adventism."
Again I think such an idea is woven into the very Scriptures. An
unborn child is a baby and a human. At least that's what God says about
it. The idea that a fetus is a "clump of cells" is a progressive fiction and for
that matter downright satanic. God sees the end from the beginning and
knows the choices the little human being would have made. I firmly
believe that God does not just toss out 60 million human beings that
Satan killed before they had a chance to know Him. I'm sure there are
"progressives" out there who would cheerfully stand beside the lake of
fire with a pitchfork, shoveling babies into the flames. They are
collectivists and think everybody ought to share in the same fate. I
cannot imagine the God of infinite love being that cruel. You may face eternal death (Ecclesiastes 9:5) for your own sins, but innocent babies should not be lumped in that "collective".
Our
founding fathers didn't have millions of abortions in their day; scarcely a handful. Ellen G White also
said we'd discover new truth in the years to come. I think what is
unique about our church is we really do believe God is loving and
merciful. Unborn children are no less His children than the Hottentots
who have never heard Jesus' name. I think we are learning more about Him
as the years go by. When somebody puts forth beliefs about God's
character that paint Him as harsh and unkind, it doesn't sit right because the God you know isn't merciless.
Now if you choose to reject Him okay. You get removed from the
universe permanently as you expected. But the innocent who were made by God, knit together in the
womb by God Himself, have been murdered before they can make any such choice. You wanna tell me God abandons His handiwork
because the devil decided to kill it before it was finished?
I
don't think so! What kept me out of the church till I was 17 was the
harsh picture of God that the Last Generation theology proponents were
peddling. Then I met the actual Jesus and rejected the "only if you are a
rigid, strong-willed Christian capable of Earthly perfection." bunk they
were peddling. You can't tell me God will abandon 60 million plus
innocent children as well. And they ARE innocent. And they are children. That settles it for me!
The
idea that an unborn child is not a "soul" until he draws his first
breath outside the mother's womb is messed up. God breathed into Adam
and he became a living soul. He was a fully formed adult at the time.
The idea that a "fetus" hasn't drawn breath and hasn't a soul, reveals a profound lack of
knowledge of biology. When a baby is formed in the womb (knit together
by God no less), he or she is ALREADY BREATHING. Its mother breathes
and imparts oxygen and food to the child through the umbilical cord, an
incredible design by God to see that the "clump of cells" gets oxygen
and food. So, in essence, the child is breathing from the moment God
begins to form it in the womb.
God
is merciful and he knows us from the moment of conception. Salvation is
not a crap shoot where you win if the roll of the dice is in your
favor. God is, as I said, not willing that any should die, but that all
should be saved. Why do you think he waited until now, when there are
more people alive than have lived and died throughout the whole history of the world,
to finish the Gospel commission and come in the clouds? He waited for
telecommunications, transportation, the Internet, rockets and satellites
to allow the Gospel to reach every kindred tongue and people, that He
might take home the absolute most numbers of people He can without their
seeing death. God hates death. He longs for that moment, that twinkling
of an eye when he changes us, gives us immortality and takes us home.
There are, we are told, going to be more people on the Sea of Glass to
celebrate God's triumph than we can number. God is not exclusive. He is
inclusive. He wants every person in His kingdom who is safe to turn
loose in the universe with both eternal life and free will (intact so
that we may reflect His image).
I
find nothing in this that conflicts with the picture of a loving
merciful God who would give His son to make sure we have the greatest
chance of sharing eternity with Him. He's our Father and what Father is
going to abandon more than 60 million babies aborted or miscarried? Are
you prepared to tell a mom who miscarries that God doesn't care about
her lost baby and won't give it back to her in heaven? Not this father!
One of the founders of our church described little babies in heaven
being restored to parents. I'm a parent and I will gladly take a whole
flock of those babies.Sometimes
I think that pernicious doctrine that infants lost cannot be saved
comes from cranky old Christians that don't like the idea of being
bothered by a lot of rambunctious infants and toddlers running around
and walking on their grass.
This
I know. Jesus loves us, child, adult or old person, rich or poor, red,
and yellow, black or white and carried every one of us in his heart when
he went to the cross. I will not cheapen his sacrifice by telling
people that Jesus won't accept anyone who doesn't say that canned phrase
about "accepting Jesus" or isn't baptized with the correct words by the
properly credentialed church official. God is love. PERIOD!!!! You
cannot convince me otherwise. I know him too well!
So
people with mental disabilities get the lake of fire too? Downs
Syndrome? Autism? So, give me a list of people who will be excluded from
heaven by God who gave his only begotten son, because they are mentally
impaired or didn't manage to get born. I have no doubt that women who have lost babies prior to that age of "accountability" will
get her babies back. My infant brother will be restored to my mother's arms. And I will get my football team of unwanted "clumps
of cells".
The
only thing I've found that shows the Old Testament God as particularly harsh penalty-wise, was his response to the pagan practice of sacrificing babies to
Molech. The Israelites got up to that sort of thing on the ancient hilltop shrines and grove
temples. God REALLY REALLY hated infanticide and I don't think he blamed
the babies for it. I sure wouldn't want to be the people who did that
stuff when I stand in the judgment.
That
misconception of God as an angry god, comes from his harsh "fatherly"
punishment of the Israelites and pagans for their evil practices. The
Aztecs used to slaughter and butcher more than 26,000 captives annually.
The Canaanites, Israelites among them, ran up similar annual numbers
and you don't want to know what horrors were perpetrated in those pagan
temples and groves. The Mexican pyramids have special channels to
capture the blood runoff. Canaanite, Greek, Roman, Druidic and Egyptian temples
were worse than today's serial killer lairs. They believed that the
more the victims screamed, the better the harvest would be. The pagans
murdered hundreds of thousands to make the crops grow - the victims'
crime being that they were still virgins.
Hey,
if you slaughter tens of thousands of my children, I'm going to be
pretty angry with you too and for good reason. I'd probably go medieval
on you with an "automatic" weapon if you were murdering my babies. Nowadays,
we only need protest the slaughter and we get treated like criminals for speaking out about
it.
I
suspect God is pretty angry with us for the 60 million we've allowed to
be slaughtered because Margaret Sanger and her ilk thought people of
color were human weeds that needed to be plucked up from among us (her
words spoken to a KKK women's group back in the 20s). I don't much blame
God for allowing that batch of willful sinners back in ancient Israel
to be punished. The interesting thing is that God didn't rain down fire
indiscriminately on folks to stop it. He simply backed off and let evil
people destroy other evil people as evil people are wont to do. Seems He
is doing the same with us. We've already ginned ourselves up a nice
plague to thin the numbers. What are we going to do next? A nice nuclear
war with Russia? A newer more deadly strain of CoVid? We could have
that soon. A university lab in Boston has already combined original Covid and the Omega variant and created a Covid strain with an 80% kill rate in rats. We're still sending money to research labs in China and they
certainly don't like us. Even our progressives don't get a pass from
them.
God
will shorten the time to Christ's coming else no flesh would be saved.
The wages of sin is death. God doesn't have to hand you a paycheck. The
devil auto-deposits it in your account. Forgive the length of this post,
though. It's a subject that riles me up! Too many people have joined with Satan to harm the innocent and
the faithful. Knowing God for more than 50 years, I believe God will make all things new and right and just - not the social justice being peddled by today's unchurched, but justice actual and true given us by our Father in Heaven.
© 2022 by Tom King
© 2022 by Tom King
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